Terrified of intimacy; 5 years of mixed sig Can I still tell him I love him?

Another deflating encounter; another sleepless night. At my wits’ end.

Last night was the music school’s end of year concert. I was going to play in 2 numbers and was pissing myself; both for the performance and because I knew I’d see him. I wanted so much to try 1) being calm (i.e., not being up in his grill like last Saturday) 2) being attractive 3) showing him that I care 4) trying to bridge that physical gap that has always existed between us.

I think I succeeded in doing all of those things, but it was just another whirlwind of mixed signals from him; mostly neutral/negative. When I got to the concert, I was prepared to find him in tense “work” mode and I planned to give him space, but instead I saw that he was jolly. He greeted me with a big grin and an old inside joke; a little later I asked him if I could see the set list and asked teasingly if he’d be performing. He said, “I’ll be dancing!” I said, “Excellent. I’d pay money to see that.” He gave me a strange grin (confused? surprised? impulsive?) and said, “Let’s discuss that!” So I felt pretty good about the potential of the evening, but it just went downhill from there. After that, it seemed like he was trying his hardest to ignore me; he was laughing and joking with all of the students and people who came up to him, but, again, it was like I was a piece of furniture. I tried hard to catch his eye but couldn’t; when I finally did, he gave me a strange, conspiratorial grimace and went on his way. When it was my band’s turn to perform he gave me a very perfunctory, “Ready?” and then as I got on the stage he patted my back as though I were a horse. But after our number, nothing. No “well done,” nothing. I couldn’t even catch his eye. Not even once through 3 hours of performances.

After the concert, I talked a bit with some other students and out of the corner of my eye, I saw him head to the pizza joint on the corner and my heart sank: no opportunity to ask him to eat something with me. Finally, he came near to where I was and sat down in a chair a few feet away from me. I got up and went over to him. He looked at me and shook his head “no” as I approached!!! He continued to shake it “no” as I got closer.

“What do you mean?” I said.

“I’m tired,” he said, and then he switched to English (during our marathon, I had told him how much I like it when he speaks English): “It’s better you don’t stay near to me… I smell like an horse.”

“You smell fine,” I said (don’t know if he heard me). He tried to say some other things in English but then someone came and interrupted us. After they left, I tried to bring up something we’d talked about during our marathon (relating to his favorite movie of all time, The Bourne Identity). He said, “Yeah, that’s a great movie. One of my favorites. You saw it again? Or you just saw it? Oh. You saw it because I told you I liked it, because I told you to?” He looked at me strangely.

People kept interrupting us and he got up and went to go deal with them. I was trying so hard to be calm and not panic like last Saturday, so I sat down with some friends and had pizza with them, telling jokes and acting like I hadn’t a care in the world. Another band member came over to try to hit on me and I made sure to be as neutral as possible. But it was almost 2 in the morning and I felt like I was getting nowhere. I kept thinking about how he had shaken his head “no” when I approached. I decided to call it a day. As I was leaving, I heard him call out, “Bye, penelope” and I went over to him. But he was sitting next to this crazy drummer guy, and every time I tried to talk to him, the crazy guy interrupted me to ask me about myself or flirt with me. I made my responses as brief as possible and focused on F, but it was getting damn near impossible. F complained that he was exhausted, that he’d been preparing the concert since 8 in the morning: “I’m absolutely cooked!” I poked him in the arm and said, “Yes, you’re cooked perfectly” - no response. His friend kept cockblocking. I looked over at F and he was smiling at me with a nice smile. I wanted to rub his shoulders, I wanted to kiss him on the cheek, something, anything, but that crazy jackhole wouldn’t quit interrupting me and there were too many people around so I gave up. I told him, “I hope you have a nice rest” and “thank you so much for everything. I’m so glad your coworkers pushed me to participate in this concert” and “I hope you feel satisfied. It was a beautiful event. You did something wonderful tonight.” I put my hand on his shoulder twice as I was speaking (something I’ve never done before). No response. I stammered, “i’ll see you… tomorrow… saturday… later… I don’t know. Good night.” He smiled nicely but said nothing. I went home, crestfallen.

He’s not being totally cold (I’ve seen him totally cold; it’s horrible); I’m still getting nice smiles and even unprompted inside jokes so I know that his feelings for me remain, but the wall is up again and it’s thick. My impression is that he’s trying extremely hard to push me away, to the point where he’s using a lot of energy to do so; for him to not even tell me “well done” on my performance is absolutely mental. Like I’m a total stranger! Just a week ago he wanted to invite me to dinner again after our marathon, two weeks ago we were together until 3 in the morning and just a week before that he was falling all over himself to get my attention. I know I panicked when he tried to ask me out again; I know I take huge steps forward and then steps back. I want so much to change and I’m trying but when he’s like this it brings all of my rejection trauma back and it’s like I can’t move.

Hey Penelope. You are doing so well! It’s not your fault now. As much as you might have hurt him in the past, it was 5 years ago. Yesterday I read it takes 6 7 months for your subconscious to forgive another person. Info that doesn’t really fit here but I think it’s useful info.

I have no idea why he is doing this to you. And you have been dealing with it so well! Argh why is he doing this? It’s frustrating… To be honest maybe now you should really take a step back cause it seems to me he is being a bit of a jerk to you. Sorry to say that.

I think maybe you should just go about your life normally, let him come to you now, don’t go to him. In events talk to other people, have fun, and when someone hits on you, if its someone you could be interested, give them a chance, be nice to them. Maybe that way he will realize he is screwing up and step up. I seriously have no idea why he is doing this. You don’t seem like the only person that has issues anymore…

He does have issues - I’m often so busy worrying about my own fears and trauma that I forget about his and how my odd behavior might affect him. So a bit on him:

He comes from a wealthy, important old family (so they tell me; he has never given me that impression so every time someone says “oh, that family is so important” I’m surprised). He’s extremely good-looking, has a great personality and is well-loved and admired by everyone in town. He is used to women throwing themselves at him; easy prey. He once told me, “I’ve never had any trouble getting women.” Except me, I guess.

His mother died when he was very young; his family situation after that was very sad. Talked about it a bit with me when we were first dating. I think he was going to say something else during the marathon but I didn’t pick up on it and I changed the subject.

I’ve noticed that every time I leave before he’s ready for me to go, our next encounters are tense and awkward. I’ve been running away ever since we met. Abandonment issues? He’s not the only one who ignores hints and come ons - I’m usually that way, too. Sometimes I don’t get that he’s inviting me somewhere or flirting with me until later (see last Thursday). When he touches me I usually freeze because I can’t believe it’s happening and I tell myself: it means nothing. Don’t get excited. How important must physical affection be to someone who grew up without a mother?

By now I know that it’s important for me to read the positive signs with him, not the negative ones (and I’d say the same is important for him). I was doing pretty well keeping calm. But when he shook his head “no” as I approached… wow. He gave me some nice smiles after that but it was hard to get the image of him shaking his head and grimacing out of my mind.

For the past two months we’ve been building up a new trajectory of our relationship and the night of the marathon we broke out of our typical mold. I’ve been wondering if he didn’t respond to my hug for the same reasons I usually don’t respond to his touch: surprise, trying to stay calm and not get fooled again. But apparently he thought about it in the intervening days and wanted to invite me out for Round Two. Maybe he thought, “Perhaps Penelope is finally ready to be with me.” And then I flaked. Maybe he’s punishing me, maybe he’s testing me. Maybe I was supposed to stay and break through his defenses to prove that I want him and am not just playing games…

Oh, something else - last night, there was no sign of HER. His coworkers’ girlfriends were all there all night long but she wasn’t. It was a big deal - his school’s end of year concert, held in the town square. I saw on her sl*tface sister’s instagram today that they’d been at some party last night.

My friend said to me: “Stop asking him questions to find out if they’re together. He invited you to dinner in his town, took you to a place where everyone knows him and probably her, too. There’s no way in hell he would have done that if he were still with her.”

If anything else, I’m at least glad that I didn’t give him the third degree last night and didn’t pay too much attention to other men: he always gets upset when I do that.

I agree with pretty much everything you say. Including that he isn’t with that girl and probably he isn’t really with any other girl.

The only thing I don’t agree with is that you shouldn’t pay attention to other men. You should. Because you can’t keep like this forever. Have you thought about what happens if he just never wants to get close again? You can’t keep waiting, trying, being there thru his hot and cold behaviors forever my dear. You have to keep going with your life. If a wonderful man shows up in your life, go with it. Open up your heart to people, and whatever happens, happens. I do think you seem great together. But I’m starting to think he doesn’t deserve that you are trying so hard. You don’t deserve this treatment from him.

He is 40… lets think for a second why is he single at his age? He never married, right? No kids… Does he have commitment issues? Why do you think he is single if he is this good looking, successful, from a well known wealthy family and adored by many?

Never married, no kids. Yes, 40. I have thought about why he’s still single a lot. And I don’t know. He had three serious relationships; the first two lasted 6 years each (“on and off”, he said). The one that happened while I’ve known him lasted… 2 years? I’ve never been exactly sure of the timeline but at least two years and they’re still in each other’s lives to some extent. She is 13 years younger than him (a thought that still makes me want to puke).

I know I can’t go on like this. It’s been 5 years. I literally cannot take it anymore. He’s not the only one who is successful and adored by many! I came to this country with nothing, to this tiny podunk town, and I have more friends than anyone I know. Men hit on me all the time; hell, two hit on me last night. But no one ever seems right. There’s always something that’s wrong with them - they’re good on paper but I’m not attracted to them. I’m attracted to them but they’re man-children with no jobs. They’re sweet but too young (I pull a lot of guys who are 10 years younger than me). Or they’re good on paper and I’m attracted to them but they just want to mess around.

I know I have treated him badly. I know the reasons for this but he doesn’t. He has done some messed up things to me, too; again, he knows his reasons and I don’t. Lately I often think that I ought to go back home to the States and leave broken down Italy behind. Find the first decent guy who doesn’t beat me, marry him, have babies, and find a real job in my field. I wasn’t ready to do that before. I finally am. I know without any shadow of a doubt that he’s the man I’ve waited my entire life to meet - I wouldn’t have sacrificed my career, closeness with my family, and my last good baby-making years to spend 5 years in a redneck Italian town if I didn’t. But I can’t live like this anymore. I might be completely in love with him, but I have to love myself, too.

And yet, every time I make up my mind to let go of him and seek closure, he shocks me by responding positively. And then it’s just utter joy. Then - almost always due to my idiocy - the periods of coldness that last until he’s ready to give it another go. How long is this one going to last? Months? I won’t be here anymore.

May I ask why you moved to Italy and what is your job? :slight_smile: How long have you been in Italy? I was gonna ask how come your english is so perfect, but now I know. I would loooove to live in the States. I was just thinking about it yesterday. Ahhhh one can dream.

About no one ever seeming right, maybe you need to give them more time? I am just making an assumption here, but it feels like you make up your mind about them too fast maybe?

I don’t think you should settle for a man that “just doesn’t beat you” my dear. You deserve way more than that. You are an interesting woman, and deserve a man that is just like you :slight_smile:
I do think it might be a good idea to move back if after all this things don’t work out with this guy. In a sense that it would definitely be a new chapter. But you need to do it with the right mindset, of starting a new life, start from scratch, with a different perspective and deciding to get what you deserve. Not that you will just go and settle for anything and call it a life (instead of day, as the saying goes).

Also, you can’t move back without telling him everything. Let’s say you try for a few more months and nothing changes. You really tried and he just keeps distance from you and stuff like that. Invite him for a drink and ask him if he thinks you could ever work out, or if he thinks you would have worked if you tried 5 years ago and see how he answers to that. If he answers yes to the last question, then ask the first one I mentioned. If he stirs away from it or says no or something just tell him EVERYTHING. Them, say you are sorry and say that you will (or are planning) to move back to the States for good. You can add that you wanted to make sure the reason why you kept in Italy for so long is really a lost cause.

That way you will know you tried everything and you won’t be wondering 10 years from now what could have happened if you did

My parents are Italian but I was born in the States and grew up in Florida. I moved to New York City when I was 18 and became a journalist. I’ve lived abroad for the past 8 years. First in Japan, then in Ireland where I was doing my master’s in Creative Writing. I came to Italy after my last relationship ended (the reason I stayed in Japan for so long and ended up in Ireland). My parents have a house here in this small beach town (where they met as teenagers) and my original plan was to stay a few weeks, get some sun, work on my novel-in-progress, then head back to New York. I met him the second day of my time here - our meeting was ridiculously romantic. That was five years ago. So much for staying here just a few weeks.

I’m a freelance travel writer (CNN, Fodor’s) and teach ESL full-time (which I hate doing, but am good at). I finished my novel and (fiiiinaaallly!!!) found an agent this year; we’re working on getting it ready to send out to publishers.

I have to tell him everything. I want to. That was my plan up until two months ago. I thought, “tell him everything, he will laugh at you, and then you peace out, move to San Francisco or something.” I didn’t expect any of this.

One thing I love about him:

He was the first person I met here so I didn’t know yet that the local mentality is very narrow. He only seemed surprised when I told him that I had lived in Japan for two and a half years; he was interested in everything else and has always been extremely supportive of my writing (despite the fact that he can’t read anything I’ve written). But he’s never made a big deal about my history. Is impressed (“you’re a spy!”) but has always taken it in stride.

EVERY time I meet someone new, they immediately say: “You’re American? What the hell are you doing here? Go back to America! I don’t understand you. You’re crazy.” And if I haven’t seen someone in a while - work, life - the first thing they say when they see me is, “Oh, I hadn’t seen you in a while. I figured you’d moved back to America.” Despite the fact that I’ve been here for 5 years, am an Italian citizen, speak both Italian and local dialect, live in my own house and work full-time, apart from my closest friends, people here see me as a tourist; ignorant, temporary, not serious.

There are many periods where he and I don’t see each other for a while. He has NEVER said, “I figured you’d gone back to America.” He has NEVER seemed surprised to see me. He has NEVER treated me like a tourist.

He has also never asked me the famous question: “Why are you still here?” He’s the reason, and he’s the only person who’s never asked.

Woo thats so cool :slight_smile: I want to travel and live abroad as well. I’m thinking of a marketing course, get a post grad and a masters in either digital marketin, business inovation or design thinking. Also learn photography, multimedia software and take a writing course and do various jobs in those fields :slight_smile: preferably online mostly so i can travel and live anywhere. Would love to move to england, then asia and USA for a few years and travel all over asia and US while I live there :slight_smile:

I think you really need to sort this out. And if what you want to do is go back, you shouldn’t not go because of him. However still start looking into a plan, of how you will tell him these things and what you are gonna do with your life next. Maybe everything turns out good and you both head to the US and make your lives there :slight_smile:

If you do end up going to the US and want to stop by here I will show you around eheh :slight_smile:

Well, I saw him tonight and the ice is definitely melting, but I didn’t get enough positive vibes for me to overcome my own fears and be direct with him. So I guess we’re back to where we were before we had dinner together.

When I went to my piano lesson today, I told myself: “You have one job - make physical contact no matter how weird he is.” When I saw him I made a beeline to give him the cheek kiss (I almost never do this with him). I said nice things to him and he smiled nicely. He was still a bit standoffish so I went up to my lesson. Afterward, I tried really hard to create an opportunity to interact. I’m actually kind of embarrassed now that I think about it; I hung out talking to his coworker (also my friend; engaged to a friend of ours), hoping that F would come and join us, or that he’d stay still long enough for me to pin him down. I’m ashamed to say how long I stayed at school tonight. For F’s part, he seemed very busy with work; he only came out twice while I was talking outside to his coworker.

The first time I said, “Hey, come over here. We’re having a really interesting conversation that I think you’d be interested in.” He took a step towards us, then hesitated. “I… the other musicians are coming in and out.”

“Oh, okay,” I said, and let him see I was disappointed. A while later, he came back out and stayed talking to us for a good while. He was pleasant and open and we shared a lot of nice grins (his shy, happy ones). I made him the focus of attention and touched him teasingly (something I never do). I told him he’s a cowboy and said something poetic about his face; I could tell he liked it. I also tried making another reference to the time we dated; he didn’t say anything, but I could tell it hit home.

After a bit, he went back inside and didn’t come out again to talk to us, just to tell us and the other musicians to keep it down.

I’d been hanging out there for hours by that point and was feeling ridiculous. I did see an opening: his coworker hinted at inviting me to have something to eat with him and I could have said, “let’s get F to come with us” but it was too risky; I didn’t want to end up with just the coworker (not my bag!!!). I had been getting positive smiles and looks from F but it just wasn’t enough. I know he was at work, but I couldn’t help but wonder if he was staying away from me and his coworker on purpose. So once again, I gave up. I went over to say goodnight and he initiated the cheek kiss; I made sure to touch the back of his neck again. It was another slightly awkward, cold, hesitant goodbye - similar to the ones before we had the long marathon/dinner.

I feel good that the ice seems to be melting but I’m also feeling stupid about how long I stayed. Of course he knew I was there waiting for him. Or, if he somehow didn’t pick up on that, I’m afraid he might have thought that hanging out talking for hours is something I do randomly. And then, at the same time, he was probably about 20 minutes away from being done with work; I’d already been there 3 hours, what was another 20 minutes to ask him if he wanted to get something to eat? Mismanaged, as always. But I guess the important thing is that the cold-warm ratio is shrinking.

Any news?

No news officially, as i haven’t seen him. The only update is that i’m through messing around and i’ve made up my mind to talk to him plainly. I think we were really headed somewhere good but we both got scared. I think it’s salvageable but only if i act fast and properly. So the next time (assuming conditions are right) i see him i am planning to say a version of this:

I am glad to see you. I am sorry we didn’t get much of a chance to talk the other night. You seemed so busy, i would have loved to spend some time with you but i didn’t want to disturb you. I am frustrated. The thing is i really want to spend more time with you and i always have to rely on luck. It was so good to spend all that time with you the other night, just the two of us. We hadn’t done that in so long and i have missed it so much. I wish we could again. I wish you would feel free to call me. I know that in the past i have seemed like i wasn’t open but i always was and i am.

I will definitely see him tomorrow, and perhaps tonight at a concert. See what he says. See where it goes.

What do you think?

okay, well, so much for that. i went to a concert tonight, full of vim and vigor to tell him these things, but his ex was there with another guy. At first I was glad to see that she was there with a different guy (I thought, “maybe they’re not back together”) and even his friend said to me, “Oh, F’s ex is here”, which also made me feel good because he said “Ex.” But then F showed up at the club, saw his ex with the other dude, and went ballistic. I’m still in shock from what I saw. He watched her and this other dude like a hawk, and when he finally caught her eye, he flipped her the bird and clapped sarcastically. Then he went over to where she was; she and her guy made a beeline for the exit of the club but he followed them. I couldn’t hear what he was saying to her but I could tell from their expressions that it was awful. She left with her sister and he crossed the street to yell at her some more. I can’t believe it.

They might not be together, but he’s obviously still in love with her. So what the hell has he been doing with me these past couple of months?!?! It felt so different, it felt so clear to me that all these old feelings were still alive between us and it seemed like we were finally going to get to explore them.

He didn’t care that I saw the whole thing. He didn’t care who saw. He just went nuts when he saw her with this guy. I feel absolutely insignificant. I feel like I need to be in an insane asylum.

I have to see him tomorrow at the school’s last band practice for the season. I don’t even know what to say.

Hey Penelope

What you saw doesn’t necessarily mean he still has feelings for her or wants to be with her or whatever. And it’s very childish of him to act like that I might add. Most of the times its about pride and possession. Is seeing someone who was once “yours” been taken away. Is feeling insecure that there is someone better, and that now you can never have that person, it hurts the ego. That’s why he acted like that. It hurt his ego and he decided not to be the bigger person.

I think that he liked you once, was rejected, tried to get over it, eventually got a new grilfrend, they broke up, he feels kind of lonely and still feels something (could be pure attraction only) towards you, but at the same time he might 1. be scared of being rejected again. 2. be afraid to hurt you or send the wrong message.

I think just don’t let it affect you. Don’t think much of it. It doesn’t change anything between you two.

BUT, at the same time, I feel you deserve someone who makes better decisions and knows how to control his impulses. It’s not healthy to be around that, and someone that is jeaalous/possessive

Definitely I would say you need to make something of your life. If you just lived there in time something could happen. But you are delaying your whole life because of it. It’s enough Penelope. You need to think what you want in YOUR life, what do YOU want to do. And go ahead and do it. You can’t wait anymore. It’s enough

I don’t know, Kaila… his reaction seemed way too strong for it to be just wounded ego/possession. He himself once told me, many years ago, “There is no jealousy without love.” They broke up about a year ago and I know they’re still in touch (I saw them together in her car just a month ago, which brought me to this message board in the first place). I really don’t know anything else about them. I’m so confused. I was up all night staring at the ceiling. Nothing computes. I know I didn’t imagine the re-opening of the connection between us. It was so different this time around. He was different. I was different. I was so sure we were really getting somewhere wonderful, that finally it would work, and until last night, everything seemed so clear. It felt like more than pure physical attraction; it felt like we were clicking on every single level. Maybe this is why he was resisting me so hard - not because he was afraid to get hurt again, but because he was hoping to get something cooking again with her. But why even open anything up with me then?

Right now, I’m thinking that nothing he says to me can ever make this right. That I’ll never believe another smile or inside joke or invite again. Was he just using me to pass the time until he could get to her, or because he thought he couldn’t have her? That would be supremely ironic; all this time, I’ve secretly hoped that he was only with her because he thought he couldn’t have me. I know he didn’t tell me he loved me, I know he didn’t ask me to marry him, but I feel so led on. How can this not change anything between us? Once he saw her, it was like no one else existed, least of all me. He didn’t care that I saw this happen. If he cared about me at all, he’d have tried to control himself lest I get the wrong impression. Nope.

And the really stupid thing? I’m now worrying about the fact that he saw me with my friend Angelo; I’ve long suspected that he thinks Angelo and I are an item (watching us crankily at events, following us with his gaze as we leave places together. Angelo even told me that a couple of weeks ago, he saw F at a bar and F stared at him all night long). For the past few months, I’ve made sure that F didn’t see Angelo and I together but last night I didn’t care. Angelo knows all about the F situation and I was so upset that I needed some support and F obviously doesn’t care about me so…! Why not??? And yet… now that the smoke is clearing a bit, I’m wondering if it was a stupid move. How ridiculous is that? I get CLEAR PROOF that he doesn’t love me and I’m still worrying about making mistakes with him. F probably didn’t see anything but his ex that night; he was furiously texting for about 20 minutes.

What am I going to do when I see him today at band practice? I know I have to be friendly and nice but I feel so hurt. Anyway, he’ll probably take care of that for me; I’m sure he’ll be in a foul mood, holed up in his office and avoiding everyone. I almost hope that’s what he does because I’m so upset with him right now I don’t think I can look at him. If he tried to flirt with me, how could I take it as anything but him looking for a consolation prize?

I can’t believe he flipped his ex the bird and crossed the street to yell at her in her car. Who the hell is this guy?

Exactly… Who is he, and is it really worth it?

Remember that he has shown jealousy with you too, which in that rationality means he loves you. How long was the last time he did that?

But to be honest, jealousy isn’t about love. A lot of people are jealous and don’t love the person. It’s about possession and ego and insecurity. Trust me. Do some research if you want. Love isn’t about possession at all. Love (healthy mature love) is free, stable, there’s trust, there is maturity.

Although he was jealous about you one time, remember that her was actually his ex and they dated for a long time. So he probably would be more jealous towards her (following the possession theory) cause she actually was “his”. His girlfriend. You never were and it lasted much less time, so the level of possession is much less.

If you see him today, just act normal. Don’t try to act too cheerful. Be yourself and feel what you feel. Try not to be too down, too mad… You don’t need to change or push yourself because of him. He doesn’t deserve it.

Also, he doesn’t deserve that you are trying not to be seen with A FRIEND. Wth, that is crazy Penelope. You have been holding on for 5 years, to a guy that isn’t doing anything to be with you right now, and you are changing your life, stopping yourself from doing things, going places, being with people, and even FINDING LOVE, because of him. That isn’t right Penelope. YOUR LIFE is ALWAYS first. You can’t live your life around a guy. You can’t depend on someone like that. Just live your life, do what you want. No amount of changing your life or forcing things will work. And if he can’t understand that you are with a friend, period, and not make those spectacles in public, he isn’t worth it. How is your life going to be? If you get together you can’t be with your guy friends anymore?

I think more and more it’s coming to a point you need closure. I wouldn’t give it anym more than a month. One month. That’s it. Start thinking what YOU want to do with YOUR life. A few weeks/month after my ex broke up with me I decided I wanted to move out to London. I ended up getting into college so I don’t know yet what I’m gonna do, but if I didn’t I would be planning just that. I have also been thinking a lot about my career and places I would like to go/live and nothing envolves him. It just makes it more impossible for us to ever get back but I don’t care. Plus I don’t think I even want to. He was too much of a jerk. This just to say that you can’t stop your life hun. You have VIVID PROOF, it goes on, time NEVER stops, and one day you find yourself stuck, waiting on a guy for 5 years. That’s not healthy, not productive… 1 month Penelope. I think it’s more than enough if there is any kind of feeling and hope in this situation, to turn things around. But you must communicate with him. And if it doesn’t go right you will already have a plan on what you want to do wih your life. And it can’t involve settling :wink:

i was so excited to tell him those things. now i feel like there’s no point.

There is a point Penelope. Even if it is just to get closure

I feel like black is white and day is night. It was so clear to me that finally we were going to work out. And now this.

Every time I reach out to him to get closure he shocks me by being open and a new trajectory starts. And then I get so hopeful. I start to think I can have him. All i’ve been able to think about these past few weeks is how much I love him and finally kissing him; finally showing him and telling him how I feel. I can’t help it. I say I want closure but I really want him. He isn’t some guy; he’s the man I’ve waited my whole life to meet. But maybe things aren’t black and white. Maybe several things can be true at once. He has complicated feelings for me; he still wants her. He’s the love of my life; I’ll never have him.

I know I wasn’t mistaken in my perception of what he and I have been sharing these past several weeks. It was so different; it truly felt like being with him 5 years ago, when he was crazy about me. So this is a huge blow to the gut.

P.S. He last showed jealousy a week ago, that most recent night at school. He ALWAYS gets uptight when I talk to other men, even his close friends. I understand nothing.