Not sure if the NC will work..

I posted my situation already in the Reconciliation forum fyi.

Right now, I’m going into my second week of NC. Me and my girlfriend broke up two weeks ago (it’s hard to believe it’s been that long already…). Well, she broke up with me and it was entirely my fault why she had to do that…

Anyways, I won’t get into that here. Basically, I had hurt her for months leading up to this, and it wasn’t on purpose. I love her and it hurts me to know what I put her through, and now I’ve suffering the exact same feelings and fears she did ironically.

Well, because it had been going on awhile, she told me when she broke up with me that she is numb now, because she already went through the pain and started to heal. Now I’m going through all of the pain, and I don’t know if she is or not. I don’t know if she is hurting, or if she even misses me, or how she feels about me right now. I don’t if she really has numbed herself, and of course if so, it hurts to know I walk around with a constant aching in my chest all day while she may not feeling any regret or sadness. Coupled with she was the one who suggested we stop talking for awhile (How does the NC work if she is the one who wanted to stop talking in the first place…?) and she said we need to focus on ourselves and our own futures right now, I don’t know if the No Contact rule is going to work.

I’m just scared that she won’t miss me at all during this month-long silence, and given the facts above, I feel like I could genuinely be forgotten about and she might have already moved on from me. The only thing that I have to hold to right now is she told me that she still cares about me, and she still loves me. She doesn’t want to be in a relationship with me right now, but the future is totally unknown. She won’t give me a yes or a no, or a maybe, to us possibly getting together.

So I don’t even know if I should be doing the No Contact Rule or not…

It’s been two weeks, and the emotional mess I was is beginning to fade away. I can start to think clearly and I know I have to focus on myself. I’m making positive changes right now, such as getting in shape and doing college credits. And the more time that passes, the more I just come back to the same thought…I love her. And if I’m given a second chance, I’m going to make her my wife. I’m that serious about her.

What do you all think I should do…?

3 weeks ago, my bad*

Similar situation with me. Worried the my ex-GF has moved on too (2 months ago)…

I mean I guess it is always a risk. The point of NC really is for yourself and so that when it is “over” you will be in a better position to realize that life will be ok without this girl. I am about to start mostly so I can move on because I have given up hope in my case…

But for you I think a similar situation to me… maybe this girl wasn’t as serious as you? Maybe you liked her way more than she liked you? Maybe she isn’t ready to settle down? Etc. You didn’t say anything about the relationship so it is hard to know.

Could she move on? Yeah. You could try breaking NC and getting a feel? Nothing major? Maybe just a text to see whats up… but at least be prepared for a reaction you wouldn’t want… such as ignoring, etc. Take it from me (who was hurt pretty bad by how my attempts at contact went) it may not be worth it especially if you aren’t at a place where you are ok not getting the girl back…

At least my though is to probably look at NC at more of a guideline. I wouldn’t necessarily set it as a hard and fast rule. Every relationship is different. But the common guideline is to know when to give that space. Most every site says some form of no contact is good. The exact amount of time is probably more of a feel…

Matters of the heart are so confusing. I want to tell you to wait the 30 days and keep living in the meantime. After the NC period is up, perhaps you should write that letter Kevin suggests.

I would love it if my ex would offer some kind of grand gesture. Do you know what you did that hurt her? Are you self aware enough to be considerate of this in the future. Sometimes owning your mistakes and making a great effort to correct it can be enough. But you have to really understand what you need to change.

Sorry for not elaborating. Like I said, I posted my full situation here: https://www.forum.exbackpermanently.com/boards/topic/my-situation-11/

I just took the time to write that and didn’t feel like doing it again, so you can read it there.

But basically, I know she loved me. She loved me just as much, if not more than I loved her. She had issues as well, I’m not going to make either of us out to be perfect, but it was ultimately me that caused the break up.

And I do know what I did wrong, and what I need to change, Jennifer. I’m a knuckle head who screwed up something really great haha. But I’m willing to do anything to get her back. I’m willing to study as hard as I can to get through college as quick as I can, which involves me taking a good deal of CLEP exams. I’m willing to bear this pain in my chest for the rest of my days if I must.

I don’t just love her because of how pretty she was, or how she made me feel. I loved her because of who she was, how pure her soul was, how unimaginably right for me she was, because of the way our fingers fit so perfectly together. She honestly was a special girl, and I just can’t forgive myself for letting things get to this point. I believe she is the woman for me, and that was never the issue. I was just immature and I didn’t know how to treat her. I’ll never make that mistake again, that’s for sure.

Like I said in the above post. I’m prepared to make her my wife. I initially thought I needed to get a good job and a nice stable life before I can come back to her and ask her for another chance. But I’m starting to realize that’s not what I want. What I want is to create those memories together. I want to go through the good times, the bad times and everything in between together. I want to be able to say we made it through the worst and came out stronger than we did before. I don’t want to build a life and include her in it down the road…I want to build a life together. If that makes sense.

Anyways, that’s my motivation for the hard work I’m putting in right now. Studying for CLEP (These tests are just…ugh.), getting in shape (This is more so for me than anything else), working hard at my volunteer position to earn as much money as I can squeeze out of the day.

I guess I just keep hanging onto the thought that, “If I can show her I’m changing, if I can show her how serious I am, maybe we can start over…”. So yea… =]

I don’t know this girl but word of caution from experience… when you do approach her again try maybe not to force things because forcing a matter she is not ready to confront will push her away. So feel her out. See if she is ready to talk and meet when you are ready. And go from there.

Hey. I just read your first post You are certainly self aware and you seem so mature for your age. At 20 you seem to have a great ability to self reflect. It’s great that you’re working on you and trying to better your situation. I think you should continue NC and see where the time takes you. She might be able to talk to you again after some time has passed. I agree with Office, when you do eventually contact her, you should keep it friendly and casual, and feel her out at that point. She’ll probably be more open to general conversation and thorough that you can tell her about the changes you’re making. The torture of this whole NC thing is that you feel like you’re pushing them away and giving them the opportunity to forget you and move on. But then if you message them and pursues constantly you pus them away too… Only time will tell and I sure do hope she has a change of heart sooner rather than later.

I ended up breaking NC today…

I panicked a little, which is my own fault. See, there is this guy who we’ll call “Bob”. Bob was friends with my ex since before I met her, but after me and her started dating, they didn’t hang out that much. They talked occasionally, but that’s about it. Well, a few weeks prior to the break up, she had gone to hang out with him. And just a day or two before the break up, I found out that he was over at her house and she never told me about it (I’ve been known to get pretty jealous…).

Well, I know that since the breakup, they’ve been talking on Facebook. This I simply picked up from the fact that they are almost always online at the same time, and they go off at the same time. Whenever one is not one, the other is usually not on either. And as immature as it is, the best way that I’ve found to cope with the girl I love preferring to talk to someone else rather than me is by simply blocking Bob via chat. He can still message me and I him, but he just can’t see when I’m online and vice versa.

Well, today I was on and I saw a notification pop up saying that he was now friends with my ex’s dad. This struck a cord in me immediately. And I began to panic and think that I was going to lose her to Bob. I felt like in the wake of our break up, something might form between them and whether or not it’s a rebound relationship, I don’t know. I do know that they began to hang out prior to our break up, they are talking everyday now and now he’s adding her parents on Facebook.

I just want to add that do I think she’s been planning on going to him for awhile now? I don’t know, I don’t think so. I know her and she isn’t the kind of girl who would do that. I believe she genuinely loved me and cared about me, and I think she still does, but she needs someone to talk to, to help her move on I suppose…but knowing that doesn’t make it any easier seeing the girl you love chatting it up with another guy…

But bottom line is I broke NC by messaging her. I tried to just keep it light, conversational. I simply said,

“I know you said you wanted to exercise before, well, I just want to advise that you wait until it’s warmer and there is no snow on the ground. .:)”

(I had just gotten through with a jog around my area, and it’s freezing outside and there is snow on the ground)

She saw the message, but she just went offline without responding. I expected that though, that she’d probably just ignore it, but I still don’t like it haha.

That’s the latest update I have right now. I guess my emotions aren’t completely gone yet, since I did this. I blame it on the fact that while Brad Browning and Kevin recommend the NC rule, I’ve watched another guy’s videos called Dan who talks about how it’s not always a good idea to do it. And the more I thought about it, the more I thought maybe it wasn’t right for me. So that was a cause for this…

I don’t think I’ve “messed” anything up though, I feel like she’ll just respond in her own time. Whether it’s tonight, tomorrow, in two weeks, I don’t know.

And again, it’s probably immature, but I’m taking a little relief in the fact that Bob joined the military and is being sent to Boot Camp on the 20th, for about 8 weeks or so. Maybe during that time, she’ll feel like talking again.

But I’m not going to rush anything. I’m using my mistake today as a probe, instead of worrying if it messed everything up, I’m using it to feel her out as you guys suggested. It may be too early for that, but I’m just trying to not to get discouraged.

If it makes you feel any better I did waaaaaaay worse than you before.

But I’m in your boat (only on day 2 though).

Ok so her is my quick advice… You are making the same mistakes I made (and still am). I highly suggest staying off her social media, unfriending her, etc. whatever it takes. Because sooner or later a pic will pop up and you may break again (happened to me). And you may lose everything.

Honestly at least according to this site NC really isn’t just about getting your ex back. It is also about being totally ok if you don’t get them back. That I 100% agree with because you may not get her back. Or you might but it may not be right after NC, could be yrs. She may need to date around to realize how good you were. Not sure.

I’m trying to get my mindset to be that way. Trying to set up another casual date with another girl, etc. Still kinda in the grief phase though. I suggest (easier said than done) just avoiding all social media of her. Takes a lot of self control but the only way really in this day and age. Checking it only will lead to mind games and you aren’t really focusing on yourself to move on.

If you choose to feel her out in the next few weeks I would say something that would warrant a reply without being over the top. Something that will remind her of a good time with you. And if she ignores that then at least you know. But don’t do it if you aren’t prepared to get an answer you are not hoping for.

After praying about it and talking with the best person I have to talk to, and who is generally the best person for anyone to talk to…my mom. I’ve come to a decision.

The No Contact Rule may work for many people, but it’s not right for everyone. And I don’t think it’s right for me unfortunately. So I’m going to abandon it as of today.

Now, I’m not going to immediately start messaging her and trying to strike up a conversation. She still wants space right now and I’m going to respect that and back off, maybe taking your advice about social media, K777. But I think the NC rule is flawed in that it’s a generalization, and every girl is different (Granted, it’s mostly a time to improve yourself, I know, don’t worry, I’m addressing the parts of it where it’s supposed to make her miss you and such). I know my ex, I know how her mind works and how she operates. And if the day comes when she messages me to try and talk again, and I’m doing NC so I ignore her, then it’ll drive her away more than it will make her miss me. This is what I’ve realized after really thinking about it.

So I’ll wait until she wants to talk again, or maybe at least give it a couple of weeks before I message her again. And as I said in ‘My Situation’ post, we plan on meeting up in person again.

Most people will advise to keep the encounter light, strike up an attraction again and such. But again, I think every situation is different and every girl/boy is different. I plan on letting her know how I feel, but I’m not going to be an emotional mess and cry. I plan on being confident and show her that no matter what happens that day, I’ll still be holding my head high.

I will tell her how much I love her and I will remind her of the connection we once, and maybe still, have. I will show her how serious I am about making things right, how serious I am about changing myself for the better and how committed I am to my goals. I will remind her of the good times we had, but I will make it clear that I don’t want her to take me back. Because taking me ‘back’ implies going back to what we once had, and it’s obvious that what we had was broken. Our old relationship had good times, but it also had serious issues and now it’s dead. I’ll simply tell her I want to start fresh again and build a new better relationship, devoid of all the issues I caused for us in the previous one.

But never will I utter the words “I need you” or “I can’t live without you.” or anything of the kind. I don’t want her to view me as being needy, desperate or pathetic. I will make it clear that I don’t need her, that I can live my life without her. She isn’t in control of my life, I am. I want to present to her a man who is standing on his own two feet, who has a clear understanding of what he wants out of life, a man who is proud, confident and blessed with what he has. The changes I’m currently undertaking (Clepping, exercising, job hunting, getting right with God, planning out what I want to do in life) are what I’ll present to her. I’ll tell her I’m changing myself for the better, I’m growing up and I’m going to be a different man from the boy that she left.

But despite this, I am going to show her that while I do not need her, I do want her. Because it’s the truth. I can live my life without her, but I don’t want to. I’ll remind of her the things we once talked about for our future, and remind her they can still become a reality. She still loves me, I know she does, and because of how long we were together, I can’t believe for a minute that those desires and wishes have simply vanished instantly. She may still be hurt, but I know those feelings are still there and I’ll show her. I do intend on keeping it light with some inside jokes, make her remember the fun we used to have when we were together.

We talked about getting married and I’ll show her that I still want her to be my wife. I still want to have children, and name two of them Ooze and Booze(Inside joke). That I don’t want to build a life and include her in it down the road, but that I want to build a life together.

One thing she has wanted to do is go on an overnight trip together. We went on a day trip to Amsterdam, but she wanted to be able to just be alone together and to fall asleep together. If things go well (Only if they go well, mind you), there is a 3day/2night trip to Paris that I’m going to purchase for us before I leave. It’ll cost quite a penny, about 820 euros, which is roughly $900, but it’ll show I’m serious about everything. Even if we agree to go as friends, I think it’ll still make her happy.

Of course, I’ll need to read how she’s feeling in the time leading up to our encounter and when we first see each other. If she is reserved and seems closed off, then I’ll probably keep things light at first. But seeing as how it could be the last time we see each other for a long time, I can’t let the opportunity pass without letting her know how I feel and how I’ve changed.

Anyways, this is what I’ve decided after thinking long and hard. This is specific for me, so other people may be better off with the NC rule. I just don’t think it’s right for me. Other’s may think I’m laying it on too thick with such talk, but again, I know my ex better than anyone else. Keeping things “general” and light won’t help (Now, if things go well, and we agree to take it slow again, then keeping it light will be the best option obviously). She is an emotional person, and I believe she’d react more to an emotional talk rather than a light one (Again, I’m not going to cry or show her how hurt I am or anything like that. Just that I do care about her.)

I think I finally have a clear head now. I’m no longer an emotional wreck. I may still have little moments here and there like yesterday, but overall, I think the worst is past me.

I just want to say one more thing so people don’t get the wrong idea. All of these changes I’m making, they’re for me. They are to improve my own life, to get me on the right track for what’s best for me, nobody else. She is simply the motivation that has pushed me in the right direction. The NC is supposed to be a time to improve yourself and be okay with letting go, I know, but I’m no longer doing that. I think as these changes start to take effect, I’ll slowly start becoming okay with the idea of letting her go, if I’m not the best for her. More than anything, I just want what’s best for her and for her to be happy. If I have to, I’ll love her enough to let her go.

But until she tells me that she no longer loves me, until she tells me I mean nothing to her anymore, I will try with everything that I am to hold her in my arms again. I have to show her that she is important enough to me that I’m willing to fight for her. I need to show her how serious I am about creating a future with her by my side.

I just want to thank you guys for your advice so far. You have been helpful in opening my eyes in some regards, but I don’t think I’ll need much advice anymore. I’ve made up my mind and I’m determined.

The nc rule is flawed yes. It has weaknesses. First. If you have a passive nc nothing will happen. Passive in a sense that nothing changed about you. 2nd you create too much mystery in your life that you do not involve your ex in it. Flaunt everything on social media. Make yourself happy in it. Or appear to be happy if it seems impossible(most people think but not really the case). Last is the lack of a goal. What is your goal after nc? Basically nc is the time to think up. Wtf is going on in my life and how can I improve it. Most people do not realize this hence renders nc useless.

Alright, I’m back again haha.

Here’s an update.

So I saw my ex yesterday at the foodcourt/BX. With “Bob”. I walked right by and she completely ignored me. That hurt, but I was able to stomach it.

Well, today, I saw her again at the commissary (I’m a bagger, so it’s my work). She was with her mom, and surprise surprise, Bob. Again, she completely ignored me and didn’t even make eye contact. (I didn’t bag for them, I was down about 5-6 lanes. She knew I was there though.)

So after that, I had a talk with my mom and a fellow coworker, and I’ve decided to delete her off my Facebook earlier today. Well, I learned when I got home shortly ago that apparently she found out (I think she actually visited my profile daily) and I guess she decided to “retaliate” (The word my mom used) by deleting my mom and sister off of her Facebook.

And I just found out that “Bob” deleted me off Facebook as well.

And I’m just feeling rather blah right now. It bothers me, but I’m trying to stomach it once again and just wait. Wait and see what happens from here. I’m worried that she’s serious about breaking all ties with me at this point, because I still do love her.

What do you all think about it? How would you explain it?
My fear: She is serious and this could be the end for us.
My mom’s explanation: “I doubt that. She’s just retaliating, which is a good sign. It means she still cares, she is still emotional. If she didn’t care, it wouldn’t phase her and that’s when you need to be worried.”
My coworker’s explanation: “Just give her the bird.” (Yea…he’s a guy who gets angry after break ups…)

Yet another update.

So ever since I had deleted her, I felt like I had made a mistake. And that night, I actually had a dream where I met with Bob and I wanted him to give her a message for me about why I deleted her. Well, I ended up waking up at 4am and I had this terrible anxiety. I ended up moving to my computer as if my body was doing it on it’s own and I jumped on Facebook and sent her a message, the same one I had in my dream.

I fell back asleep for about an hour or two and when I got back on Facebook when I woke up, she had responded. We had a short conversation about what happened and it didn’t go terribly. I told her why I deleted her, which was because of her ignoring me and how it hurt, so I wanted space, and such. We ended the talk soon after that.

Later in the day, maybe a few hours after our talk, I got a message from her saying she wasn’t going to be on Facebook for awhile. She said she didn’t know when she’d be back on and she was telling me because she didn’t want me to think she was ignoring me again. She said she wanted to focus more on her schoolwork and “several projects” she wants to work on. She told me she didn’t want to cause any issues, but she just doesn’t know what to do anymore. (I’m ashamed of it, but my anxious mind thought it was quite a coincidence that she is deciding to get off Facebook for “awhile” just as Bob is about to go off for boot camp. My paranoid mind is assuming the worst, the she’s getting off because he’ll be gone and she won’t have anyone to talk to. I had hoped maybe during that time she would want to try talking again, but it looks like that will be a no…)

So I decided to ask her a few things before she got off. I asked her why she didn’t want to get back together first off, because she had made it a point to tell me that in one of our previous conversations (As well as she didn’t know if she was ready to talk yet). I wanted to know why, because when we were together, it was incredible for both of us and she told she that she was completely in love with me quite a few times. So I asked if it was the break-up that made her not want to be with me, or maybe the pain I had caused, or maybe if she just didn’t love me anymore.

All she said was that she deserved more “to put it simply”. And I have to agree with her, but honestly, that made me hopeful. Because it gave me hope that I can still get her back. I just have to become a good man who is deserving of her. I asked her if she still loved me, because I knew she probably wasn’t in love with me anymore. And she said that she still really cares about me. She apologized that she couldn’t give me a straight answer and we finished with a few more words to each other. That was yesterday.

Well, today, I had some minor surgery (A cyst on the back of my head) and they gave me some anesthesia so I wouldn’t feel anything. I was still a bit loopy because of it when I got home and I ended up sending her a message just apologizing for everything, and then apologizing for sending her the message because I was loopy. She responded, surprisingly, and asked what I was having surgery for (I thought I had told her about it before, maybe she forgot). So I told her, and she suggested I just get some rest. So I simply said “Yeah, probably haha. bye!” and she responded with “Bye…”. That was about an hour and a half ago, and I’m starting to sober up.

Now I’m unsure if I should send her a message, apologizing for that loopy one. Or if I should just not say anything, and maybe see if she messages me to check up on me.

Anyways, that’s the latest update!

Hey corner …
Well let me tell you that she’s luckey to have you …
You seem like you adore her …and that is amazing
From what i read … You don’t have to worry … She really loves you too … But she needs to see the changes in you first
I think that you have a big chance in getting her back
But first … You need to continue the NC … And continue working on yourself …
You see … She told you before that you need to change your way of living … You can’t marry her if you don’t have a house for your own … And a decent job …
If you reay want to marry her … You should work your best … To prove to her that you deserve her love …
As a girl … I can tell you that I’ll do the same as she did if i were her … Tell i see a really big change in your life …
And you have been together for a long time … You don’t have to worry about her forgetting about you … She’s probably hurting as much as you are …
So continue to improve yourself …
You’ll get her back this way
And plz …
Can you tell me your opinion on my story?
https://www.forum.exbackpermanently.com/boards/topic/help-plz-3/

Hey Mema, in case you didn’t know, I posted the latest and probably last update here: https://www.forum.exbackpermanently.com/boards/topic/my-situation-11/