Complicated situation - not sure what to do next

My ex and I started dating in April of 2018 right as I was moving away (16 hours) for an internship. We made it through those four months and another two months when I got back but neither of us were happy. We had a mutual split. After about 2 months of no contact (unintentionally) I reached out and we ended up getting back together.

Things were a lot better the second time around, but we had some tough conversations. She felt like I wasn’t patient enough and understanding enough. She also felt like I was trying to argue everything. Additionally, I made some mistakes telling her she needed to get over some personal issues rather than being open to listening and supporting her.

Fast forward to May of 2019, we were growing together emotionally, but she felt a bit drained due to some tougher conversations we’d had.

She left on a trip to Brazil, while I moved away to the place I had my Internship. I thought we would do long distance for six months and then she would join me after she graduated.

We talked once while she was in Brazil (it was the only time she had service), and we were both pumped to see each other. When she got back we called each other and things started going wrong.

I said something that was a counterpoint to something she was telling me, when I should have just been listening to her trip. She got upset, and started to fixate on that conversation the next three weeks. At this point I had bought a plane ticket home for her birthday, but she decided to go ahead and end things anyway. She said she didn’t see how we could fix things with me in Texas and her at home.

When I got home, we hung out everyday (4 days) and the last day I was there I asked her to give it another chance. She said she wasn’t ready. We texted for a couple of days before she said she needed more time, and that it was my chance to be patient with her.

Three weeks passed before I reached out, because I had been expecting to hear from her. She said that she didn’t see how we were right for each other and that she is sorry but she didn’t want to get back together.

Here is where I started to make bigger mistakes.
I texted her, professed my love to her, and begged for another chance. We had a conversation on the phone where she said she could say I love you back anymore. After a week out back and forth, we quit talking for another week.

This time when I reached out, she said she couldn’t talk about it on the phone anymore. At that moment, I bought a same day plane ticket to fly home and try to fix things.

When i got there she was nervous, but warmed up as we talked. She kissed me and we held each other as we talked about life. At the end of the conversation she said she didn’t feel it anymore when we spoke.

We decided to meet the following day.
Before we met she told me she’d only meet if I could let go. I said I’d only meet if she came with the idea that we could actually fix things.

That day was bad. I was pushy. I begged, pleaded, said that I’d changed. Asked over and over and over again. I told her that it’s supposed to be us and that we could have something special. She kept saying not right now.

I told her I’d leave my job and move back. And she said I shouldn’t do that for her, because she couldn’t make any promises.

By the end of the conversation she said, I’m done with this, I’m going home. And she left.

I texted her that day and said that I was sorry for my behavior and that I would try to let go. She responded saying that she’s sorry things didn’t work out and that she hopes The best for me.

At this point, it had been two months since we had broken up originally and six weeks since I had flown home for her birthday. Now I took to the internet to find a solution, and i entered no contact.

I started looking for a job and found one pretty quickly. 6 weeks after that I sent her a message letting her know I’d be moving back into the area and that I wanted her to hear it from me instead of someone else. She didn’t respond.

During this time, I started seeing a relationship coach to try and work on my communication, empathy, and patience. I wanted to get the skills to rekindle and maintain the relationship. I also started hitting the gym everyday and really trying to improve myself.

When I got home, I didn’t hear from her. I ran into her at a coffee shop as I was leaving. I said hi and she said hi but that was it.

A couple days later I saw her in a coffee shop and went to say hi (even though I probably shouldn’t have). We had a short conversation that persisted of her saying “She’d forever be guarded around me” and that “we’d never date or hangout again”. This was in response to me asking if we were okay to interact, since we have many mutual friends. She said she had decided that awhile ago, and that’s the reason she didn’t respond to my earlier text. She said she’d already given me a second chance and we hadn’t workout out. She said she felt happier and healthier because we were no longer in the relationship. She said she changed her mind last time but wouldn’t come back this time.

I was kinda shocked. I expected her to at least agree to meet up with me. I made my fair share of mistakes, but I never intentionally did anything to hurt her.

The following day I found out that she had started seeing someone earlier that week (just casually dating).

It’s been another week since then. I’m struggling, because I know it makes sense to give up and move on, but I really believe her and I are supposed to be together.

I guess my question is: now that I’ve went and started to fix the things I needed to fix in the relationship, how can I get her to see that and open up to me again? I see her and her new guy at church each weekend and it’s eating me alive, because she won’t even look at me.

My relationship coach and I have focused a lot on self improvement and how to keep her if she comes back, but I’m looking for how I can reconnect with her in a way that will lower her guard. Obviously, I have to give her space and I made the mistake of not doing that well enough before. But when we see each other in group settings (anywhere between 4 and like 100 people) what do I do?

I’m honestly not sure it’s possible at this point, but I can’t shake this hope, even after she said never. I’ve also been trying to calm the anxiety that’s come with it, but I’ve not been doing a great job.

@tallguy You wrote:“I really believe her and I are supposed to be together”. That’s your opinion! She said she wants you to let go. She said she didn’t want to ever date you again and now she’s dating someone else.

It’s good that you’re trying to improve, but do it for yourself so it might be possible to have a better relationship with someone in the future.

If you see her in group settings, be kind if she speaks with you. But don’t try to start a conversation with her one-on-one.

Stop contacting her by phone or text! Someday in the future she might change her mind, but don’t expect it. Try to move on the best you can. The anxiety will lessen if you accept this second breakup and stop obsessing. Focus your attention on other things whenever you think of her.

After a while, start dating someone else.

@patricia12 I quit contacting her. The one conversation in the coffee shop and the one text before moving home were the only things I’ve said in the last 2 months.

Many of my friends believe that flying home ruined my chances and pushed her away.

Is there anything I can do to show her the changes I’ve made or can I literally only sit and hope she comes close enough to see?

I was hoping to follow up with her in a few weeks depending on how things play out with the new guy she’s with. I just don’t want to make things worse and I don’t know how to make them better.

@tallguy You wrote:“Many of my friends believe that flying home ruined my chances and pushed her away”. She had already made up her mind before you flew home because she said she was sorry, but she didn’t want to get back together!! You only confirmed her decision by begging.

At this point, after 2 breakups, she won’t trust that you changed, and there’s no way to show her unless you intrude into her space which would again confirm that you’re still impatient and obsessing.

You should not follow up with her while she’s still with the new guy. If she breaks up with him, the best case scenario would be if she initiates contact.

Are these group settings in person or online? Either way, I suggest you avoid them for awhile. Every time she sees you or hears from you, she thinks of the negative parts of the relationship and it will take a while for those bad memories to fade somewhat…

@patricia12

The meetups are at our church where we are both heavily involved. It would be very much outside my normal behavior to not go, so much so that it would be obvious that I’m avoiding her.

Do you still recommend avoiding those activities? It’s where most of my friends hang out as well. So I’m unsure on if it’s good to avoid it.

I think the fact that she doesn’t trust that I’ve changed or even could change is a big part of the problem. I’d like to let the negative memories fade, I’d hoped that 2 months would be long enough.

Her personality hates conflict and strife so I’d be surprised if she ever reaches out again. That’s why I feel a bit stuck, because I show her I’ve changed by doing nothing, but I’m not sure she’d reach out anyway.

Do you recommend I go into no contact indefinitely? And I guess I need to figure out how to navigate the friends situation

@tallguy I suggest you skip the church meetups occasionally.

What (month/day) did you have the conversation in the coffee shop? Did you tell her you were trying to change and that you had seen a relationship coach? She had broken up with you prior to the coffee shop day and reinforced there… she’s been dating the other guy since earlier that same week.

You said neither of you had been happy prior to the 1st breakup. What caused that breakup?

You mentioned the 2nd breakup was caused by your impatience, lack of understanding and support, not listening, and arguing too much.

Yes, I recommend you go into no contact indefinitely. Two months is not enough time for her to get past how you treated her or for those bad memories to fade.

One way to navigate the church meetups situation is to be yourself, but better. If she sees you arguing and being impatient, or treating others the same way you treated her, she will know you haven’t changed. If you get a chance to speak with your ex during these meetups, treat her with kindness and respect.

PS: And what I meant by if you get a chance to speak with your ex at the meetups is if she approaches and speaks with you first… don’t just go up to her and start a conversation.

The coffee shop conversation was on the 17th of October (this month).

The flight back was on August 17th.

The flight for her birthday was July 2nd.

The breakup was June 23rd-ish.

I moved to Texas May 20th.

We got back together after that first break up in January.

So there’s a reverse timeline.

The first breakup I was really busy. We also didn’t have a strong foundation because I moved to Texas right after we started dating. She felt like she wasn’t a priority and that I didn’t give her enough time or attention. Thus, pestering her after the first breakup worked better, because she wanted to see effort. Now it’s the opposite.

Also to clarify, she’s going on dates with a new guy but they aren’t “together” technically speaking.

I did tell her I was improving the things I needed to improve and that I had been seeing someone to help with it. To which she said, that’s great but there is nothing you can say or do to make us get back together, ever.

I think since I moved back to this area, she believes she has to say that or I’ll never stop trying. I think I also hurt her perception of me a lot by begging and pleading excessively during the conversation we had when I flew back.

I think it’s problematic because she gave it a second chance already. So on top of loss of connect/attraction she doesn’t trust that I’ve changed.

@tallguy You wrote:“I did tell her I was improving the things I needed to improve and that I had been seeing someone to help with it. To which she said, that’s great but there is nothing you can say or do to make us get back together, ever…I think since I moved back to this area, she believes she has to say that or I’ll never stop trying”. You thinking she only said it was because if she didn’t say it, that you wouldn’t stop trying is wishful thinking! She said it because she meant it! She told you more than once that she doesn’t want to get back together, but you’re not listening!

Since the scene in the coffee shop was only 12 days ago, it’s fresh in her mind. And most likely every time she sees you at the church meetups, she thinks of that last awkward scene.

Now she’s dating someone else and whether or not they get serious about each other is out of your hands. It doesn’t matter now if effort worked in the past, the past is gone. You need to accept that it’s over and focus on your own life.

I know this is a sad and difficult time for you, but try your best to move on. Nobody knows what the future might bring if you’re patient:)

Just thought I’d put an update in here. My ex and the new guy are officially dating. I’m trying to let things run their course and move on but I’m still really struggling with it.

We’ve ran into each other a few times but their is a complete lack of acknowledgement. I’m just trying my best to stay in NC, but I’m still very anxious about the whole thing.

I’ve been tempted to talk to her on several occasions but I’ve stopped myself. I’m honestly not even sure if she’d respond.

A lot of my friends and family are wanting me to go on dates. No sure if I should or not. Thoughts?

All in all it’s been about a month since the coffee shop incident. And it’s been about 4 months since she’s initiated anything.

@tallguy You have to stop obsessing about her! Yes, I agree with your family and friends that you need to move on and date others. But before you do that, you need to get into a healthier mental state of not dwelling on the past! Otherwise, you won’t be able to properly evaluate the next woman and it’s not fair to her if you’re continuing to think and obsess about your ex…
Good luck and take good care of yourself:)