Is my situation doomed? Or is there still hope?

Hi guys,

First of all, my name is Rich, from the U.K. Thanks for having me on the forums.
Secondly, I really need some help/advice. My situation is looking like it’s doomed but I’m persistent and I want to salvage any hope I can/if I can.

So almost two years ago, I met a girl online - we started chatting and it went really well. She’s from Australia and had just been to the U.K. and had only just left. We continued the rest of the year talking, chatting and geting to know each other really well. We did this up until she came back to the U.K. toward the end of the year and spent almost a whole month spending time with another. I could tell she was really into me but I was insecure about possibly entering a relationship through fear of things that had happened in the past and I foolishly believed I should be pursuing my own goals and making myself happy before I commit to someone - completely overlooking the fact that she didn’t care about that. She was actually the perfect person to be with whilst I worked on myself and didn’t care that I wasn’t from a lucrative background or that I had issues with anxiety. After she went back home, we carried on the same, conversing in a definitely more than platonic way. The following year, she came back to the U.K. and stayed with me for a month or so in the summer of 2017. She met my family and friends, it was a really good time. At the end of her trip she said to me that she’d never wanted to be in a long distance relationship with anyone. Ever. But she was willing to try one with me if I felt the same. I realise now that I did start to feel more for her then but I was really struggling with anxiety, insecurity and depression etc. and I still felt like I couldn’t enter anything serious. Not just with her, with anyone. I felt like I had to spend my time working on my music, pursuing my own goals and ambitions and improve myself before I ever commited to anyone. She was upset and went home but again, we carried on talking when we could, flirting, and conversing in a more than platonic way. The following year in May of 2018, she came back to the U.K. for a long extended trip until the end of the year. She stayed with me for a couple of months, but I was in a much worse way. I was on all different types of medication, I was up and down, I was frustrated with my music and felt like I needed to be alone to work on myself. So she moved out of my place after just over a month and rented a room closer to London. We still spent the weekends seeing each other, hanging out and sleeping with one another. One weekend, she took a short trip to Vienna to see family and then that’s when I realised that I had made a huge mistake. She didn’t care about any of my issues, never really having enough money - she just liked me for me. So when she came back, we met up, I cooked for her and I said to her I’d made a huge mistake and I wanted to date her properly if she’d let me. She was really touched but said she had a permanent job lined up back in Melbourne without any annual leave for a year and she wasn’t sure how it would work. I asked her if she’d think about it. We carried on being intimate and meeting when we could. However, a couple weeks later, she started to give me mixed signals. We were still being intimate with one another but she eventually confessed that she had started to date other people. Our intimacy started to become less and less frequent at that point - she said she still liked me but wasn’t sure if she did as much as before. I started to panic and became a bit needy, trying to talk whenever we could. One night after we had dinner and slept together, she confessed that she had been dating some guy who’s a doctor. She said he had pissed her off on the first date with something he said to her which made me feel a bit better but it began to make me panic more, the fact that she had mentioned someone very specific this time. Our chemistry became less and less, most defintiely because of the way I had acted before and because there was someone new in the picture. She eventually told me she had begun dating him repeatedly - when I asked if she was in a relationship with him, she said she didn’t know. She then went back to Australia for a month in October for a wedding with a plan to come back to the U.K. from Nov 2018 to February this year. She asked if she could stay at mine this time, albeit on the couch as she had obviously moved on. I said yes. However, a lot of my friends told me it was a huge recipe for disaster and it would affect my health, especially given what I was going through before personally; having feelings for someone who doesn’t reciprocate them, if they’re around you all the time was gonna be bad news. Eventually, I messaged her and said that it probably wasn’t gonna be good for me, if she’s dating someone else she should probably be staying with him, and that she had given me mixed signals. I just didn’t understand why she was still sleeping with me and doing things with me if she had already begun to move on and see other people. She was upset, anxious and said she was relying on me, however said that if she is dating this other guy, then yeah - perhaps he should accommodate her. I hesitated and said to her that she could stay with me, I’d felt bad about how I acted and just wanted to help her have a good trip. Maybe i could salvage somethign if I was lucky.Because I was so stupid and insecure, she then turned around and said that she had begun to look for other places to stay. So obviously, she had begun staying with him. Shortly after she arrived back, we made plans to catch up and have a drink on my birthday but her BOYFRIEND didn’t want her to meet me. So she was obviously in a relationship at this point. I was crushed. Eventually we did meet for a quick drink while he was out of the country but it was quite obvious to her that I wasn’t over her at all. We met two more times in December; I took her out ahead of Chrismtas and showed her some parts of the U.K. she hadn’t seen. Her boyfriend knew I was with her as she was posting pictures of where we were on Instagram and he wasn’t responding to her messages. i could tell this made her anxious. Understandably for him - she was out and about with someone she used to be intimate with. At the end of the day, she said she would see me before she went back home in february - this never came around, probably due to ehr bofriend saying he ddin’t want her to see me again or she felt guilty about spending time with me while she had begun dating him properly. Eventually before she went, I asked her if everything was okay with her and she said she can’t talk to me as frequently as she had - she had a boyfriend and she respected him and couldn’t see or talk to someone she used to be with in one way or another as frequently. Over the coruse of the winter months, she was uploading pictures on her Instagram stories of both of them taking city breaks. This was horrible for me - she was obviously having more fun than she ever did with me and this guy could obviously afford to do exicting things with her, whereas I never really could. I started to foolishly compare msyelf to him - he’s a good-looking, accomplished doctor, knows more than one languages, in great shape, earns well. I’m a skinny, tattooed, musician that works in an industry that never guarantees any lucrative earning, and I had had trouble with anxiety and insecurity.

To back track a bit, afetr she had come back from Australia, when I asked her if they were in a relationship - she said neither of them wanted a long-distance relationship and they were going to date for as long as they could and call it a day when she went home. I foolishly saw this as my chance - I was gonna move back in with my parents, save some money, quit my job, and go to Australia for a year. Change my lifestyle and improve msyelf before I went, and maybe, JUST MAYBE if I got to see her, if it felt right, after some time, I would probably get to ask her out on a no-pressure date. Although, the whole time there was a voice in the back of my head - YOU KNOW she’ll get into a long-distance relationship. You know she will. She looks so happy, she’s with someone who wants to be with her whereas you let your own stuff get in the way and realised too late and she’s with someone who’s quite possibly better than you in every way. But I still did it. And I’ve finalised it all. I’ve moved back in with my folks, saved some money, bought a working Visa, insurance and flights and I’m going there in six weeks time for a whole year to explore and work. I’m actually doing it. She knows I’m coming out there and was really happy for me because she always told me to visit and enouraged myself to travel more. Even though I was crushed about not having her in my life the same way anymore and a lot less while she had fallen in love with someone else, I’d started to work on myself a bit more. I exercised more, finished my music and released a whole EP and a single to good reviews (although she’s on the cover and the songs turned out to obviously be about her; guess that’s catharsis for you) and I had started dating other people. Although I realised anyone I was sleeping with wasn’t because I genuinely wanted to, it was just a rebound in a effort for me to get over her.

Only a few weeks ago, she messaged me to see how I was doing. We caught up over a couple of messages. I was late getting back to her last one because of work and things - she read it and didn’t respond. 20 minutes later she uploaded pictures of her and her boyfriend on a city break on both Instagram and Facebook. She’s not listed on there as ‘in a relationship’ but she was obviously happy to start making it official with her posts and was clearly just checking in on me to see if I was okay before she did so. So now, we hardly talk.

I’m still going to Australia, staying with friends and working and I know it’s likely I’ll hardly see her if not at all. It’s been almost a whole year and I STILL FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME. And now, only just yesterday, she posted an Instagram story of her and her boyfriend on the beach in Bali on an exotic holiday. So now he’s obviously travelling far to see her. I was devastated so I just deleted the app off of my phone. I’m gonna try not to look at it or downlaod it again for as long as possible.

But for some reason - I feel if someone was in love with you at some point, for a fair while too even if you had your own issues, then is there even a slight percentage possibility that they could ever feel like that again? Coudl their long-distance relationship not work and would I ever be in with a shot again if she saw how different I was? If he didn’t make a good impression and pissed her off on their first date, does that mean I could ever, EVER have even the slightest chance? I’m not like this when actual relationships end but I can’t stand the fact that my insecurity got in the way and I can’t stand having not fixed something.

I know everything above looks so negative and it looks like I’m doomed - but I’m very persistent, don’t give up on things easily and I’ve been feeling exactly the same for a whole year. Can anyone pelase give me some advice on what to do, how to play this?

Thanks very much guys. Looking forward to your responses.

Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich,

So to summarize. You are in the UK and you met a girl online two years ago. In 2017 she stayed with you for a month. She came back to the UK in May 2018 to stay until the end of the year. She stay with you for a month until you broke up with her and she found a different place in London. She went to Vienna for a weekend, came back and told you that she had been dating other people and found a job in Melbourne. She went back to Australia in October and was in the UK from November to February. You said she could stay with you but she eventually said that she didn’t want to. So now she is dating this doctor. You are now going to Australia in 6 weeks to spend the rest of the year there.

Is that all correct?

When did she meet this doctor? Does he also live in the UK? Were you sleeping together while she was dating him? When was she dating other people and where? When did she get this job? When was the last time you contacted her?

I don’t think long term relationships last in the long run. Especially if you are on other sides of the world.

That’s all pretty much the gist. She didn’t tell me she was dating other people when she got back from Vienna - she was touched that i had asked her out and we carried on being intimate. However, a few weeks later, she told me she was “seeing other people”. She met the doctor last year after moving to Charlton and renting a room of her own. He lives in the UK aswell, yes and she said she might move here to be with him after her contract is up - which confused me as she always said that it pisses her off when the girl always relocates for the guy and she’s always said that the lifestyle in Australia is better. So from that logic, I’m guessing this guy is gonna be moving to Australia at some point to be with her. Knowing my luck they’ll end up marrying. She found out she got this job last summer.

And I contacted her last week out of the blue after about a month or more to just ask her about a music video she sent me once (trying to perhaps start a conversation).

She responded by sending the link. She just said “hope you’re well” and then that was it. :confused:

And yes, I’m going to Australia for a whole year. I’m flying next month.

You could try NC and look her up when you get to Australia. But I’m sorry to say it sounds like she has moved on.

I know - she has moved on but considering there was an overlap, I can’t let it go. I’m just determined and the very fact that aim going out there and can’t turn that back, it’s starting to become scary.

I’m doing the No contact rule but I made things worse for myself by redownloading Instagram and looking at her pics. She looks so happy and this guy seems so much better than me in every way. I’m doing things for myself but I just can’t get over this hurdle.

I know I posted here at the beginning of June but there’s been an interesting development in my situation. Maybe.

I’m now in Australia on my work visa (see the info of what got me here in the first place above) and I didn’t tell this girl when I was landing.

As far as I know, she’s still in a long-distance relationship with a guy in the U.K. (where I’m from).

When she found out I was here, she proposed we go for coffee and catch up. I agreed but within 10 minutes she said she had changed her mind and that she “respected her boyfriend and her current relationship too much to meet me for coffee.” I said that’s fine and then she said she’ll see me at a house party in a couple of weekends that was being hosted by a mutual friend and she’ll talk to me then. A couple of my friends made it clear that “it’s not just meeting for coffee though is it? You’re someone that she was once intimate with while she is in a relationship now.” It made sense.

The day of the party comes up and it’s cancelled - she messages me asking if I know why it’s cancelled and I say I’m not sure and she responds with “aww, I was so looking forward to seeing everyone!” (To my knowledge she only knew two other people going, both of which were old girlfriends from school). After that she starts talking to me quite a bit more and asking how I’ve been, what I’m doing for work, if I like Melbourne and if I think I’ll stay here permanently and settle. Then out of nowhere she says “omg, let me take you out for food!” Understandably, I’m puzzled and she says that when she “first landed in London, you were so kind to me and cooked for me and made sure I was fed. I want to repay the favour.”

A day goes by where I don’t respond because I’m busy and I get back to her wishing her Happy Birthday. She responds saying thanks and then repeats the offer instantly. At this point, I say “sure, but I’m slightly confused - a few weeks ago you were so sure you didn’t want to meet me at all, I’m just a bit confused.” She didn’t seem to take lightly to being asked this and responded with “omg, I just want to do something nice. This isn’t a thing to allow analysis. I was just doing a thank you coffee.”

Now, I know it’s wishful thinking to think that her current relationship is probably under strain and as a result she’s been thinking of me and wants to meet up - but it was a total 360 out of the blue and I’m seriously confused. And concerned because we are meeting up in a couple of weeks and I obviously don’t want to mess this up. I reckon she’s spoken to family or friends about this and they’ve probably suggested that she do meet me to clear the air and leave things on good terms so there’s proper closure or whatever but I don’t know. What do you guys think? Really need some advice here.

She said, "omg, I just want to do something nice. This isn’t a thing to allow analysis. I was just doing a thank you coffee.

Good grief
! You need to get a grip and face reality. She seems like a nice lady who appreciated your kind gesture when she landed in London and wants to “return the favor” by inviting you for coffee. It’s nothing more than that! But you’re hoping and wishing it means something else. It’s obvious to me that she’s moved on and so should you…

Sorry to be so blunt, but for your own mental health, you need to stop fantasizing.

I agree with patricia but I’d also add that this woman seems like a complete nightmare who is going to continue to make you absolutely miserable.

I vote doomed and you’re just wasting time and opportunity by thinking about her or pursuing her. You even moved to another country to be close to her. I know you’d want to justify that saying you might have gone anyway or it isn’t that bad, etc. but we both know you did it because of her.

It is hard to move on but you just gotta do it. Take it day to day. And delete the photos, don’t put her on EP covers, don’t write songs about her, etc. There’s other woman out there who won’t be going out with different guys at the same time, contacting exes and then breaking it off, etc.

Your friends were 100% correct when they said this:

However, a lot of my friends told me it was a huge recipe for disaster and it would affect my health, especially given what I was going through before personally; having feelings for someone who doesn’t reciprocate them, if they’re around you all the time was gonna be bad news.

I know but my point is why did she change her mind so drastically the opposite way all of a sudden?

I just don’t understand. She was drama at that she didn’t want to meet me a couple of weeks ago and now this.

Why the sudden flip?

*She was adamant that she didn’t want to see me before.

Why are you doing this to yourself? You ask why she changed her mind and nobody knows the answer to that! If you meet up with her, maybe you’ll get the answer.

But you need to stop obsessing and get on with your life…